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After discussion with our team, we have decided that the story should continue as is, and it can even be left for bochurim to read as well, but it should have a disclaimer (along the lines of what was posted above).

Also, as someone suggested above, I think a new thread should be started where the story can be posted again and continued, chapter by chapter with no discussions. We can continue using THIS THREAD for group discussion and comments to Grant.

So the new thread should begin with two announcements. (1) The disclaimer about triggers (2) a request that no one should comment on that thread - and put a link to THIS thread instead for discussion purposes.

I apologize to everyone for the break in the story, but I think this was a healthy conversation for us all to have.

Thank you Grant for the great writing. I really hope that the lessons we will continue to learn from this story will be powerful and life-changing to the guys here (as we see it already is for some people).
I am in consultation with my team and hope to get back to y'all with a final p'sak soon. Sorry for the delay!
lodaas wrote on 25 Feb 2021 22:52:
maybe finish each chapter in a way that portrays everything thats wrong with moes messed up brain and actions, and how it impact his wifes feelings. I think it would remove every trigger especially with grants writing skills.

And he would not keep us in suspense that much

1) If you could what he writes above, that would definitely be a big help.

2) Also, I think we should move this story to the balabatim's forum. Since that is a place by definition has more triggering things.

3) Perhaps we should place an announcement at the beginning along the lines of what Grant wrote before (here's a rough draft taken from Grant's post, he can shorten it and fix it up if he wants).

DISCLAIMER: This story can be triggering at times, but the author deems it necessary to be blunt about the temptations - just as we experience them on a daily basis, in order to illustrate how if not reigned in, they can lead to places many times worse and to pain many times greater. The story's purpose is to take the reader through the intense desires, pain, dissatisfaction and disappointments that the main characters go through - until hitting rock bottom, in the hope that it will suffice as a tangible portrayal and prediction of one who doesn't gain control. Reading the twisted justifications and wrongful self righteousness, and where they can lead, will hopefully remove the need for one to heaven forbid experience these unfortunate circumstances himself, to gain the clarity reached only through personal experience and realization. To achieve this effect, there can be triggering situations depicted at times. Reader discretion advised. 


In any event, if we can do these few things, I agree that you should put back the last chapter and continue as planned... 

Thanks for the great story, it's really powerful!
No need to apologize, you didn't do anything wrong. Like Lionking said, the problem isn't so much the triggers, it's more the leaving us in suspense - which I feel leaves too much to the imagination (if you know what I mean). I think you should continue writing the story as you planned, however, try not to leave it off at a part which leaves the reader room for imagining unhealthy things. Ideally, the reader should come away from each chapter with a lesson in how "messed up" this is. (And if a chapter doesn't end like that, perhaps you shouldn't post it until you have written the coming chapter that does!) 
Amazing story, very well written. However, I do find certain parts a bit triggering, for example this last chapter... Not sure it's healthy to leave us hanging in such a part, it leaves too much for the imagination... For the guys on GYE, it can trigger their own feelings of desire for these kinds of "adventures" if you know what I mean... Instead, I think we need to quickly jump to the part where he starts to see how messed up his life is and how pointless and meaningless it is to chase false pleasures!

(For anyone triggered, listen to this: gyeboost.org/archives/133)
Beautiful. Just beautiful.

This will definitely make it into the book, and I am sure it will inspire many people who may not know they are addicts until they read this and a light bulb suddenly goes off in their heads!
This is fantastic, such a wake-up call to us here on GYE!

I hope the story leads into a good ending that we can all learn from :-)
Thank you chevra for starting this wonderful thread. I was very close to the Rav and visited him many times in the past 8 years or so that he lived in Israel. He did everything he could to help our organization, to the point of messiras nefesh. We are hoping to put out a book with his articles and  correspondence with GYE. This thread is great, and the stories here may make it into the book! If you have any correspondence from him, please post it here... 
Great idea. Let's give the merit of all our saying "no" and turning away today for Rabbi Twerski's recovery!

He is not doing well, he was hospitalized yesterday and his situation was critical. B"H he stabilized, but he needs a miracle still.

Perhaps we can divide up the Tehillim here. The idea goes like this: Post which perakim you can say, from 1 and on, and in the following posts others will continue from that number and on, till we finish the Tehillim (and start over).
This thread made it onto today's chizuk email! bit.ly/3hxYQsM
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