Wear a gartel all day and be confident that god will keep you free of lust all day.
Wearing a gartel is your hishtadlus and god will do the rest.
This is what real emunah is all about.

Actually I was thinking of starting a similar thread and replacing the gartel with singing 'Na Na'

Ill leave it to Gevura

Try it and if it doesn't work than you can laugh at it .
But to reject it out of hand seems to be narrow minded.

Real emunah has nothin' to do with wearing a gartel.

Try wearing one of these...

I appreciate your skepticism.
but you need to say something intelligent to dispute me.

Ok here's something intelegent

you wrote 



hishtadlus is by doing productive things
why is wearing a gartel all day hishtadlus. It is not at all

doorknob wrote on 23 Jan 2017 17:34:

We don't know who you're talkin' to, but just in case it was me, show us one sefer where it states that wearin' a gartel has anythin' to do with emunah.

II cannot believe that I am actually engaged in this discussion.

That's not what he said. he said that wearing a Gartel is Hishtadlus, and that believing that that's all you need to do is Emuna.

I'd like to see a source for that.

I will answer your question with some questions of my own.
Why put on a gartel during davening?
What is the source for putting on a gartel during davening ?

doorknob wrote on 23 Jan 2017 23:42:

I'll ask a different one
Theres a source to take 3 steps during prayer

If someone decided to take 3 steps every hour of the day as hishtadlus can you in all seriousness call that hishtadlus?

Please be honest

hishtadlus by definition is doing something that has proven results, albeit by the grace of Gd

If Gart'lling has helped you or anyone that struggles, to pass 100 days, that can be used as hishtadlus

Until then I don't see a point in your suggestion for someone like me that has some level of addiction.

This is why you idea is being sideswept by a Monstah Wave

The definition of Hishtadlus is not about something that has proven results !
Hishtadlus is about making an effort and hopefully being successful with god help.
Putting on a gartel by davening is an effort to prevent unclean thoughts from entering your mind during davening
In otherwords the one who puts on a gartel has emunah that the simple act of putting on a gartel will have an effect on the mind during prayer.
There is no way to prove this its just minhag that all observant jews agree with.
Now what i am saying is why stop using a gartel after davening ?
Keep it on all day to have a clean mind all day.

doorknob wrote on 24 Jan 2017 01:05:

Man, if that works for you - cool

It doesnt...

Where do I find hilchos gartel you're taking about. I want to see where it says that it can "have an effect on the mind during prayer".

Is this another fantasy?

Oh and hishtadlus is not doing futile efforts

Banging your head against the door the whole day is not hishtadlus for parnassa. Opening the doorknob at an employment agency is

all right I hear you.
I have found a link below  to a webpage that will explain the need for a gartel

​www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1400563/jewish/Chassidic-Black-Belt.htm

doorknob wrote on 24 Jan 2017 01:45:


I know many people who wear a gartel and act out. Not all day, but also, all the seforim say that a person can't jump to a level of emunah he's not holding. And the seforim say that if it is not at your level of emunah, then it is not hishtadlus. One great Rebbe said that for him, buying a lottery ticket was hishtadlus, but not for his chasidim.

So if people aren't on that level, then even according to you it won't work.

Does it work for you?

And it's silly to say you can't prove me wrong or it's close minded. We have seichel and don't work with emunah tefeila, so we're disagreeing with there likelihood of what you said.

You're right; instead of rejecting it let's just call it "not mistaber".

And you haven't told us that it works either.

Are you trolling?