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Re: Yiddish Speaking 05 Nov 2024 21:12 #424456

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Markz wrote on 05 Nov 2024 12:54:
BabaYakob Welcome to gye!!

Great place here, great friends such as Reb HHM.

I read your post carefully.
This has NOTHING to do with Chasidish.
ZERO.

And I’ll prove it to you.
I have a question for you (only).

Pray tell me, if you were born ‘Litvish’, how different would your life look if you struggle as many of us do?

Markz I'm gonna very respectfully push back.

Yes, once someone's in the grips of lust it doesn't matter if his justification is fat wives, fat chassan teachers, hasidic wives, skinny wives, litvish wives, red fish blue fish or two fish. His focusing on the "problem" only distracts from the real problem - his inability to keep his warm clammy hands out of his own pants (or however you want to define his problem).

But when we're talking about societal forces that push people into addiction, then identifying social forces is relevant. Dov has a great recording on the site about why so many frum people become lust addicts. Turns out that lying, hiding, repression, guilt, forbidden fruit and stolen waters, and the whole package of complex emotional background that Judaism  some current educational systems applies to sexual sins is a breeding ground for making the problem worse. 

I'm a big believer in the futility of trying to change the system. But it's a valid grump, and that's what we're all about here.

Grump on my friend!  And keep on trucking.

Re: Yiddish Speaking 05 Nov 2024 23:21 #424468

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To explain what i was refering to above - In some (i stress - some) chassidish circles, intimacy for the sake of intimacy is frowned upon. "A hug together in bed and that's it" is not promoted. "The mitzva" is for the sole purpose of having children and "being together" twice a week. It is strongly advised to designate two specific nights a week for "the mitzva". Touching the wife's private parts is frowned upon - especially oso makom. Causing climax is not discussed at all. Even chibuk v'nishuk is barely mentioned. Pajama tops are worn. If the chosson rebbi does not pick up on any seichel/intelligence limitations of the chassan, the fellow may walk out not even knowing what he is supposed to do.

The above "recipe" can be problematic in two ways. Some guys simply cannot handle it (nor can some of the wives). They "need" more. That is the case even with guys who were never exposed to pornography. They feel very empty after being together. 

Secondly, our antidote to pornography is to introduce to a fellow the beauty and geshmak in giving a wife the appropriate mitzvas onah - an emotional mitzva with a physical component. The typical fellow who reaches out to us is b'ezras Hashem cured by switching gears from taker to giver. For a fellow who was educated that many of the things we are advising are forbidden, it causes massive confusion. This is where a chassidishe rav can be beneficial - to explain to a struggler what is actually assur, what is additional hanhaga, and how this particular couple should be nohaig.

please do not make this post the fodder to bash the chassidish system. i am only presenting the issues so we can together see if there is a way to assist strugglers from this community in a way that they do not feel they are forsaking their mesorah.
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Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 06 Nov 2024 06:35 #424492

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Muttel wrote on 05 Nov 2024 18:58:

rebakiva wrote on 05 Nov 2024 18:00:

Your struggle may be more chasidish geared, but your help can come from anyone and everyone, I personally got to know chasidim that MUTTEL helped tremendously {MUTTEL your litvish, no?} . 
Keep it up and keep us posted 
With love akiva

If you call an einikel of the Kozhnitzer Maggid, Berditchiver, and the Mareh Yechezkel (Dej/Karlsberg) Litvish 

My Zeides may not be too happy with me.........

I'm think hes write because if a chasidishe like me could being a sefardishe BABA then a rebishe einikel could being a litvishe, what a heilige dor, we is all the same

Re: Yiddish Speaking 06 Nov 2024 06:49 #424494

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Hashem Help Me wrote on 05 Nov 2024 23:21:
To explain what i was refering to above - In some (i stress - some) chassidish circles, intimacy for the sake of intimacy is frowned upon. "A hug together in bed and that's it" is not promoted. "The mitzva" is for the sole purpose of having children and "being together" twice a week. It is strongly advised to designate two specific nights a week for "the mitzva". Touching the wife's private parts is frowned upon - especially oso makom. Causing climax is not discussed at all. Even chibuk v'nishuk is barely mentioned. Pajama tops are worn. If the chosson rebbi does not pick up on any seichel/intelligence limitations of the chassan, the fellow may walk out not even knowing what he is supposed to do.

The above "recipe" can be problematic in two ways. Some guys simply cannot handle it (nor can some of the wives). They "need" more. That is the case even with guys who were never exposed to pornography. They feel very empty after being together. 

Secondly, our antidote to pornography is to introduce to a fellow the beauty and geshmak in giving a wife the appropriate mitzvas onah - an emotional mitzva with a physical component. The typical fellow who reaches out to us is b'ezras Hashem cured by switching gears from taker to giver. For a fellow who was educated that many of the things we are advising are forbidden, it causes massive confusion. This is where a chassidishe rav can be beneficial - to explain to a struggler what is actually assur, what is additional hanhaga, and how this particular couple should be nohaig.

please do not make this post the fodder to bash the chassidish system. i am only presenting the issues so we can together see if there is a way to assist strugglers from this community in a way that they do not feel they are forsaking their mesorah.


Rabeini HHM now I'm understanding why you are the king over here. You understanding the real big problems like it realy is, I was scared that maybe no-one is going to understanding the hardship in my struggling, but you understand so good you making me feeling so comfortable here.
And like you say the chasidishe system is very good and very very heilig, but not everyone is in that madreige הלוואי I'm should one day get up to that heilige madreige, but for now I'm needing help באשר הוא שם.

Thank you R' HHM and thank you everyone else for the very warming replies. it really warmed my heart, and now im feeling that im ready to be part of this family and really fixing myself.

Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 06 Nov 2024 11:45 #424498

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I'm think hes write because if a chasidishe like me could being a sefardishe BABA then a rebishe einikel could being a litvishe, what a heilige dor, we is all the same

Spending time on GYE, one comes very quickly to the realization that no one group has the "copyright" on yiras shomayim. There are heroes from the yeshivish, sefardic, modern orthodox, chassidish, chabad, plain old fashion orthodox, etc. communities. They can live on any continent and be almost any age. If we would make a Shabbaton for all the forum posters and other GYE members, it would resemble a Tuesday afternoon mincha at the Kosel - a colorful potpourri of all stripes. (Actually, we would also have the representation of the kanaim communities that avoid going to the Kosel as well....) Mi k'amcha Yisroel!
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Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 06 Nov 2024 15:31 #424508

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Babayakob, welcome. 

GYE friends, for this important thread, I believe it would be useful for Reb Yakob (and others in his situation) to hear from others who are from his background or people who have been involved with people from his background (like HHM). 

For the rest of you who have not been in his shoes, and find this thread deliciously vouyeristic, perhaps you should sit this one out and really listen to what those with actual experience have to say.

Shem wrote very well above. But even he, and the rest of you, might be missing a bigger picture.

On this site we have tunnel vision when it comes to lust and we get very black and white about it. Often, this is a helpful way of looking at things. But I suspect that here there is more at play:

The lack of a secure emotional bond between husband and wife, and a vast gulf between the human need for loving attachment and the stiff, rigid reality of “intimacy as a chore.”

And yes, litvish people have struggles too. So do celebrities who are married to the supermodels we all drool over. Because they get caught drooling over other supermodels all the time.

But it’s levels of magnitude harder if you don’t have a baseline of healthy sexual attraction and emotional intimacy at home. When your wife does not present as feminine or embraces her femininity.

Not only is it harder, it’s an entirely different ballgame. You’re coming to a person playing chess with tips about checkers.

Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 06 Nov 2024 16:34 #424519

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Bennyh wrote on 06 Nov 2024 15:31:
Babayakob, welcome. 

GYE friends, for this important thread, I believe it would be useful for Reb Yakob (and others in his situation) to hear from others who are from his background or people who have been involved with people from his background (like HHM). 

For the rest of you who have not been in his shoes, and find this thread deliciously vouyeristic, perhaps you should sit this one out and really listen to what those with actual experience have to say.

Shem wrote very well above. But even he, and the rest of you, might be missing a bigger picture.

On this site we have tunnel vision when it comes to lust and we get very black and white about it. Often, this is a helpful way of looking at things. But I suspect that here there is more at play:

The lack of a secure emotional bond between husband and wife, and a vast gulf between the human need for loving attachment and the stiff, rigid reality of “intimacy as a chore.”

And yes, litvish people have struggles too. So do celebrities who are married to the supermodels we all drool over. Because they get caught drooling over other supermodels all the time.

But it’s levels of magnitude harder if you don’t have a baseline of healthy sexual attraction and emotional intimacy at home. When your wife does not present as feminine or embraces her femininity.

Not only is it harder, it’s an entirely different ballgame. You’re coming to a person playing chess with tips about checkers.

באבּאַ יעקבּ, ברוך הבא.

GYE פריינד,  פֿאַר דעם וויכטיקן שמועס, גלייב איך אַז עס וואָלט געווען נוציק פֿאַר ר’ יעקב (און אַנדערע אין זײַן סיטואַציע) צו הערן פון מענטשן וואָס האבן דורגעלעבט זיין מצב, אָדער מענטשן וואָס האָבן זיך געטפלט מיט מענטשן אין דעם מצב (ווי HHM).

פֿאַר אייך אַנדערע, וואָס זענען נישט געווען אין זײַנע שיך, און געפֿינען דעם שמועס ווי אַ מין זאפטיגע בליק אריין אין עמעצנס לעבן, אפֿשר זאָלט איר דאָס מאָל זיך אָפּשטעלן און באמת הערן וואָס יענע מיט דער אמתער דערפֿאַרונג האָבן צו זאָגן.

שׁם האָט זייער גוט געשריבן אויבן. אָבער אפילו ער, און איר אַנדערע, מעגט זײַן פאַרפֿעלט אין דאס גרעסערע בילד וואס עד שפילד זיך דא באמת אפ.

אויף דעם זייטל האָבן מיר אַ מין טונעל־זעאונג ווען עס קומט צו lust/תאוה, און מיר קוקן דערויף זייער שוואַרץ און ווײַס. אָפֿט מאָל איז דאָס אַ נוציקע וועג צו קוקן אויף די זאַכן. אָבער איך פיהל אַז דאָ שפּילט זיך אַרײַן אַ גרעסערע בילד:

דער חלל פון א טיפער עמאָציאָנעלער פֿאַרבינדונג צווישן מאַן און פרוי, און אַ ריזיגע מרחק צווישן דער טבעיות׳דיגע צורך פֿון ליבעדיקער באַציאונג אינדערהיים און דער טריקינער, שטרענגער רעאַליטעט פֿון „intimacy ווי אַ מין פליכט.“

און יאָ, ליטווישע מענטשן האָבן אויך שוועריקייטן. אזוי אויך די סעלעבריטיס וואָס זענען חתונה געהאַט מיט די סופּערמודעלס וואָס מיר אַלע לעכצן נאך. ווײַל זיי ווערן תּמיד געפאקט ביי די מעשה אין לעכצן נאָך אַנדערע סופּערמודעלס

אָבער דעי סטראגל איז 100 מאל שווערער אויב דו האָסט נישט אַ מינימום פֿון געזונטער סעקשואלער צואונג און עמאָציאָנעלע אינטימקייט אין דער היים. ווען דײַן פרוי שטעלט זיך נישט אהער feminine, אדער איז בכלל נישט in touch מיט איר נאטירליכע אינערליכע פֿרויערשאפט.

נישט נאָר איז עס שווערער, עס איז אַן אינגאַנצן אַנדערע געשעפֿט. דו קומסט צו אַ מענטש וואָס שפּילט שאָך מיט עצות וועגן checkers.

Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 06 Nov 2024 19:45 #424530

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Bennyh wrote on 06 Nov 2024 16:34:

Bennyh wrote on 06 Nov 2024 15:31:
Babayakob, welcome. 

GYE friends, for this important thread, I believe it would be useful for Reb Yakob (and others in his situation) to hear from others who are from his background or people who have been involved with people from his background (like HHM). 

For the rest of you who have not been in his shoes, and find this thread deliciously vouyeristic, perhaps you should sit this one out and really listen to what those with actual experience have to say.

Shem wrote very well above. But even he, and the rest of you, might be missing a bigger picture.

On this site we have tunnel vision when it comes to lust and we get very black and white about it. Often, this is a helpful way of looking at things. But I suspect that here there is more at play:

The lack of a secure emotional bond between husband and wife, and a vast gulf between the human need for loving attachment and the stiff, rigid reality of “intimacy as a chore.”

And yes, litvish people have struggles too. So do celebrities who are married to the supermodels we all drool over. Because they get caught drooling over other supermodels all the time.

But it’s levels of magnitude harder if you don’t have a baseline of healthy sexual attraction and emotional intimacy at home. When your wife does not present as feminine or embraces her femininity.

Not only is it harder, it’s an entirely different ballgame. You’re coming to a person playing chess with tips about checkers.

באבּאַ יעקבּ, ברוך הבא.

GYE פריינד,  פֿאַר דעם וויכטיקן שמועס, גלייב איך אַז עס וואָלט געווען נוציק פֿאַר ר’ יעקב (און אַנדערע אין זײַן סיטואַציע) צו הערן פון מענטשן וואָס האבן דורגעלעבט זיין מצב, אָדער מענטשן וואָס האָבן זיך געטפלט מיט מענטשן אין דעם מצב (ווי HHM).

פֿאַר אייך אַנדערע, וואָס זענען נישט געווען אין זײַנע שיך, און געפֿינען דעם שמועס ווי אַ מין זאפטיגע בליק אריין אין עמעצנס לעבן, אפֿשר זאָלט איר דאָס מאָל זיך אָפּשטעלן און באמת הערן וואָס יענע מיט דער אמתער דערפֿאַרונג האָבן צו זאָגן.

שׁם האָט זייער גוט געשריבן אויבן. אָבער אפילו ער, און איר אַנדערע, מעגט זײַן פאַרפֿעלט אין דאס גרעסערע בילד וואס עד שפילד זיך דא באמת אפ.

אויף דעם זייטל האָבן מיר אַ מין טונעל־זעאונג ווען עס קומט צו lust/תאוה, און מיר קוקן דערויף זייער שוואַרץ און ווײַס. אָפֿט מאָל איז דאָס אַ נוציקע וועג צו קוקן אויף די זאַכן. אָבער איך פיהל אַז דאָ שפּילט זיך אַרײַן אַ גרעסערע בילד:

דער חלל פון א טיפער עמאָציאָנעלער פֿאַרבינדונג צווישן מאַן און פרוי, און אַ ריזיגע מרחק צווישן דער טבעיות׳דיגע צורך פֿון ליבעדיקער באַציאונג אינדערהיים און דער טריקינער, שטרענגער רעאַליטעט פֿון „intimacy ווי אַ מין פליכט.“

און יאָ, ליטווישע מענטשן האָבן אויך שוועריקייטן. אזוי אויך די סעלעבריטיס וואָס זענען חתונה געהאַט מיט די סופּערמודעלס וואָס מיר אַלע לעכצן נאך. ווײַל זיי ווערן תּמיד געפאקט ביי די מעשה אין לעכצן נאָך אַנדערע סופּערמודעלס

אָבער דעי סטראגל איז 100 מאל שווערער אויב דו האָסט נישט אַ מינימום פֿון געזונטער סעקשואלער צואונג און עמאָציאָנעלע אינטימקייט אין דער היים. ווען דײַן פרוי שטעלט זיך נישט אהער feminine, אדער איז בכלל נישט in touch מיט איר נאטירליכע אינערליכע פֿרויערשאפט.

נישט נאָר איז עס שווערער, עס איז אַן אינגאַנצן אַנדערע געשעפֿט. דו קומסט צו אַ מענטש וואָס שפּילט שאָך מיט עצות וועגן checkers.


Banny! 
I almost chocked on my Vodka just now......... 

You nailed it on the head. I am Chasidish as well, Born and Bred in Willy. 

I dont know if I should go on a rant here or not regarding some extra zealous things done in the name of 'frumkeit' . 

So ill just keep sipping my Vodka. 

Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 08 Nov 2024 06:58 #424671

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Bennyh wrote on 06 Nov 2024 16:34:

Bennyh wrote on 06 Nov 2024 15:31:
Babayakob, welcome. 

באבּאַ יעקבּ, ברוך הבא.

GYE פריינד,  פֿאַר דעם וויכטיקן שמועס, גלייב איך אַז עס וואָלט געווען נוציק פֿאַר ר’ יעקב (און אַנדערע אין זײַן סיטואַציע) צו הערן פון מענטשן וואָס האבן דורגעלעבט זיין מצב, אָדער מענטשן וואָס האָבן זיך געטפלט מיט מענטשן אין דעם מצב (ווי HHM).

פֿאַר אייך אַנדערע, וואָס זענען נישט געווען אין זײַנע שיך, און געפֿינען דעם שמועס ווי אַ מין זאפטיגע בליק אריין אין עמעצנס לעבן, אפֿשר זאָלט איר דאָס מאָל זיך אָפּשטעלן און באמת הערן וואָס יענע מיט דער אמתער דערפֿאַרונג האָבן צו זאָגן.

שׁם האָט זייער גוט געשריבן אויבן. אָבער אפילו ער, און איר אַנדערע, מעגט זײַן פאַרפֿעלט אין דאס גרעסערע בילד וואס עד שפילד זיך דא באמת אפ.

אויף דעם זייטל האָבן מיר אַ מין טונעל־זעאונג ווען עס קומט צו lust/תאוה, און מיר קוקן דערויף זייער שוואַרץ און ווײַס. אָפֿט מאָל איז דאָס אַ נוציקע וועג צו קוקן אויף די זאַכן. אָבער איך פיהל אַז דאָ שפּילט זיך אַרײַן אַ גרעסערע בילד:

דער חלל פון א טיפער עמאָציאָנעלער פֿאַרבינדונג צווישן מאַן און פרוי, און אַ ריזיגע מרחק צווישן דער טבעיות׳דיגע צורך פֿון ליבעדיקער באַציאונג אינדערהיים און דער טריקינער, שטרענגער רעאַליטעט פֿון „intimacy ווי אַ מין פליכט.“

און יאָ, ליטווישע מענטשן האָבן אויך שוועריקייטן. אזוי אויך די סעלעבריטיס וואָס זענען חתונה געהאַט מיט די סופּערמודעלס וואָס מיר אַלע לעכצן נאך. ווײַל זיי ווערן תּמיד געפאקט ביי די מעשה אין לעכצן נאָך אַנדערע סופּערמודעלס

אָבער דעי סטראגל איז 100 מאל שווערער אויב דו האָסט נישט אַ מינימום פֿון געזונטער סעקשואלער צואונג און עמאָציאָנעלע אינטימקייט אין דער היים. ווען דײַן פרוי שטעלט זיך נישט אהער feminine, אדער איז בכלל נישט in touch מיט איר נאטירליכע אינערליכע פֿרויערשאפט.

נישט נאָר איז עס שווערער, עס איז אַן אינגאַנצן אַנדערע געשעפֿט. דו קומסט צו אַ מענטש וואָס שפּילט שאָך מיט עצות וועגן checkers.


Wow thank you r' bennyh for your moiridike words you is really understanding of my problems;

But bh I was speeked with hhm and I'm feeling like I'm really starting to fighting the yeitzer huru thank you everyone for your replying and helping me.

Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 10 Nov 2024 07:12 #424743

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Welcome R' Babayakov I'm chasidish too, looking out for you success.
Go through the forum there is alot of wisdom and great tips from our fellow brothers here, 
great move coming here to the English site, i also didn't find the Yiddish site helpful, I hope there is someone i can talk too about that because i feel that alot of ppl who start there don't get what they need and just drop it and continue to struggle.
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Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 10 Nov 2024 07:42 #424744

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I just want to clarify one thing, as HHM stressed on the some, this way is not done in all chasidish chasidus, im satmer and my chusen rabbi is satmer, we don't wear tops, I was thought about touching private parts and  climax.  And with all that my kadusha struggles also started after getting married eventhough i did have a more open adduction.
I don't say it's perfect, I do think that he should have talked more about how your wife feels and about real intimacy,

But all those things doesn't make a difference now, now we are all in the same struggle and we are all here with the same goal, to get clean, to enhance your relationship with your wife, be a better husband/father A better Yid and closer to hashem,  so we gotta focus on the future learn new things, embrace one another.

Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 11 Nov 2024 02:01 #424790

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5678 wrote on 10 Nov 2024 07:12:
Welcome R' Babayakov I'm chasidish too, looking out for you success.
Go through the forum there is alot of wisdom and great tips from our fellow brothers here, 
great move coming here to the English site, i also didn't find the Yiddish site helpful, I hope there is someone i can talk too about that because i feel that alot of ppl who start there don't get what they need and just drop it and continue to struggle.

Thank you ; Very big problematic I am so דאנקבאר to hashem that he gaved me the brains to coming here and really getting the help I so really need, האלוואי everyone should also getting the help they needing, or even better if the yidish site will waking up, but I don't think thats going to happen so quick

maybe some of us chasidishe people shoud going there and giving them the contact info from HHM, MUTTEL, and alot other ones here, and just making a lot of posts there to keeping them busy and excited and willing to reaching out to who could really helping them.

Oy riboinoi shel oilum help ale yiddishe kinderlech

Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 11 Nov 2024 02:28 #424792

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babayakob wrote on 11 Nov 2024 02:01:

5678 wrote on 10 Nov 2024 07:12:
Welcome R' Babayakov I'm chasidish too, looking out for you success.
Go through the forum there is alot of wisdom and great tips from our fellow brothers here, 
great move coming here to the English site, i also didn't find the Yiddish site helpful, I hope there is someone i can talk too about that because i feel that alot of ppl who start there don't get what they need and just drop it and continue to struggle.

Thank you ; Very big problematic I am so דאנקבאר to hashem that he gaved me the brains to coming here and really getting the help I so really need, האלוואי everyone should also getting the help they needing, or even better if the yidish site will waking up, but I don't think thats going to happen so quick

maybe some of us chasidishe people shoud going there and giving them the contact info from HHM, MUTTEL, and alot other ones here, and just making a lot of posts there to keeping them busy and excited and willing to reaching out to who could really helping them.

Oy riboinoi shel oilum help ale yiddishe kinderlech

That's a fantastic idea! In fact, why don't you discuss this issue with HHM, eerie, and muttel? They may have other great ideas on how to get the help out there for the yiddish speakers!
Either way, let's figure something out!
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There are many people on the English site who speak Yiddish fluently.
Feel free to contact me at michelgelner@gmail.com

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Re: Chasidish in anglish - FOR ALL BACKGROUNDS 11 Nov 2024 14:27 #424812

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Hashem Help Me wrote on 11 Nov 2024 03:54:
There are many people on the English site who speak Yiddish fluently.

Is that something that can be communicated to the yiddish site?
Is there a way for it to be more clear who speaks yiddish around here? 
(Maybe they can put it in their signatures?)
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