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Re: Introducing Myself 11 Dec 2023 19:02 #404818

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פס בסלו - did not work AT ALLאם פגע בך מנוול משכהו לבית המדרשdid not work either and it was precisely after these 2 advise that I fell even lower. then I was thinking maybe I'm so rotten that the Torah was in the category of לא זכה נעשית לו סם מוות   It is very embarrassing, but I have to confess that at one point I was so angry at Hashem why he did not protect me that I did stuffבמזיד ובכוונה להכעיס רח"ל



Although, like with any question on any sugya, answering over email or on a forum doesnt do it justice, I will attempt. But I would suggest a phone conversation with a mentor for real clarity. Also, being as you have said you are feeling a lot of inner pain, it makes sense that many answers will seem inadequate, for we cant answer questions of the heart with logic just as we cant answer questions of the mind with emotion. 
The gemora in Brachos 5A clearly says that at times paga bach menuval ze does not work all the time! The gemora says "yaasok betaora, im natzco mutav, if not layne krias shma,...yazkir yom hamisa". Additionally with the story of R Amram Chasida in Kiddushin, he screamed out for others to come, he did not go learn or even remember yom hamisa. With extreme nisyonos, not always will it work. Additionally, R Yisrael Salanter (ohr yisroel 4 or 5) and the Chosen Yehoshua talk about the need to use strategy against the YH as well aside from Musar and Torah. Just hoping for a spiritual salvation alone is not the way, although it helps.
Pas Besalo has nothing to do with having an outlet. It is a physcological ease that comes from knowing you have a technical way of taking care of your needs. When a person is already craving something, it will not help. Additionally, when a person chases after modern lust, there is a tremendous amount of variety and selfish pleasure seeking that will not be fulfilled by a wife. If a person does not appreciate true intimacy, it is doubtful that a wife will put him at ease regarding this for he knows she will not (nor should she) fulfill his every whim.
       As an aside, I do not think your anger constitutes kavana lehachis at all. It is a reaction to your inner turmoil. Ayn adam nitfas al diburo mtoch tzaaro. Even thogh this isnt dibur, the concepts are compatible. I really think you have to give yourself a break. You are doing amazing!

Nothing good grows in the dark. 
Last Edit: 11 Dec 2023 19:05 by bright.

Re: Introducing Myself 11 Dec 2023 20:51 #404821

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Thanks so much "BRIGHT" you come across as very Bright
your insight is greatly appreciated 
G-D bless you

Re: Introducing Myself 12 Dec 2023 21:33 #404893

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30 years ago I had no one to talk about it (because it doesn't/never happen/exsisted & it is dirty talk. The קצות החושן does not address it) it is precisely why I did not have a Rabbi who could educate me on מאמרי חז"ל re: these matters, so I in my childish mind I took them literally & suffered in silence,My issue now is (not the only issue) that In fact I did not learn for a long time and hardly davened,  אם תעזבנו יום יומים אעזבך I feel so detached I try my best to learn on a daily basis but no feelings whatsoever, I daven but it's robotic. I assume it's because the הסתכלות אסורות  so my question is, is it possible to penatrate the מסך המבדיל שמפסיק בינינו לבין אבינו שבשמיםHow do I get rid of the טמטום הלב which was created from the הסתכלות  I cannot unsee what I saw or unknow what I know It's obviously different than other aveiros where you can just stop doing and do teshuva and resolve for the future. these images are haunting.I know I need therapy, but to find the right match is like splitting the sea, so I thought I'll pour some of my.....................ואתכם הסליחה
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Re: Introducing Myself 12 Dec 2023 21:49 #404894

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samshmuel wrote on 12 Dec 2023 21:33:
30 years ago I had no one to talk about it (because it doesn't/never happen/exsisted & it is dirty talk. The קצות החושן does not address it) it is precisely why I did not have a Rabbi who could educate me on מאמרי חז"ל re: these matters, so I in my childish mind I took them literally & suffered in silence,My issue now is (not the only issue) that In fact I did not learn for a long time and hardly davened etcאם תעזבנו יום יומים אעזבךI feel so detached I try my best to learn on a daily basis but no feelings whatsoever, I daven but it's roboticI assume it's because the הסתכלות אסורות  so my question is, is it possible to penatrate the מסך המבדיל שמפסיק בינינו לבין אבינו שבשמיםHow do I get rid of the טמטום הלב which was created from the הסתכלות  I cannot unsee what I saw or unknow what I know It's obviously different than other aveiros where you can just stop doing and do teshuva and resolve for the future. these images are haunting.I know I need therapy, but to find the right match is like splitting the sea, so I thought I'll pour some of my...............ואתכם הסליחה

I encourage you to read my thread. When I started, I had all of the questions that you have.  It is possible to overcome all that you describe.   And feel free to email me as well. The links to my thread and my email should be in my signature.

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guardyoureyes.com/forum/4-On-the-Way-to-90-Days/375452-Work-in-progress

The Battle of the Generation by Hillel S. has been a huge help for me.  Message me to find out how you can receive a free copy.



some of the experiences I write about may make it easier to identify me.  This is ok.  I trust that if anyone discovers my identity they will keep it to themselves.  If you do realize that you  know me, I am completely comfortable and welcome you acknowledging me and my struggle in person.

Re: Introducing Myself 14 Dec 2023 00:34 #404985

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I'm quoting R' Yona on the importance of talking to friends 
דרך ישרה שיבור לו האדם ליראת שמים לקנות לו חבר אחד או שנים לדבר עמהם
תמיד בדברי יראת שמים 
(אגרת התשובה צז)

I once saw in one of the ספרי חב"ד that since it's very difficult to fight the יצה"ר so by talking to a friend about מלחמת/טכסיסי היצר then it's 2 against 1
so it becomes much easier 

another peace of R' Yona on the greatness of offering sound advice 
וחייב אדם לחשוב מחשבות להעלות נר עיצות הגונות ומתוקנות לחבירו
(שער ג- נד)


a great guy from the GYE family contacted me and he gave an hour of his time,  Thank you from the depth of my heart
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Re: Introducing Myself 14 Dec 2023 21:14 #405026

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samshmuel wrote on 12 Dec 2023 21:33:
30 years ago I had no one to talk about it (because it doesn't/never happen/exsisted & it is dirty talk. The קצות החושן does not address it) it is precisely why I did not have a Rabbi who could educate me on מאמרי חז"ל re: these matters, so I in my childish mind I took them literally & suffered in silence,My issue now is (not the only issue) that In fact I did not learn for a long time and hardly davened,  אם תעזבנו יום יומים אעזבך I feel so detached I try my best to learn on a daily basis but no feelings whatsoever, I daven but it's robotic. I assume it's because the הסתכלות אסורות  so my question is, is it possible to penatrate the מסך המבדיל שמפסיק בינינו לבין אבינו שבשמיםHow do I get rid of the טמטום הלב which was created from the הסתכלות  I cannot unsee what I saw or unknow what I know It's obviously different than other aveiros where you can just stop doing and do teshuva and resolve for the future. these images are haunting.I know I need therapy, but to find the right match is like splitting the sea, so I thought I'll pour some of my.....................ואתכם הסליחה

My friend I really feel for you. You went through alot alone in the dark, Its very painful.
I just want you to know the godswill everything is possibel! Stick around and make some friends, things will change for the better far beyond your imagination beH.
Keep on posting, it great to read your posts!
My thread: From two identities to True self

If you want to reachout to me to talk please email: wish2banonym@gmail.com
Last Edit: 14 Dec 2023 21:15 by true_self.

Re: Introducing Myself 15 Dec 2023 00:53 #405034

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Here’s a warm hand - Shalom! 

Perhaps 30 years ago you were over on the next table or Shtender from me. And we were both struggling very much alone…. 
ב”ה for GYE. 

The first step in removing the מסך המבדיל is to remove the calloused shield around your heart that is built of scar tissue and reads: “ No hope of change. It is what it is”. 

To me, GYE means hope. It is not “What it is”. It doesn’t have to be. 
GYE means doors and pathways where there were none before. 
It means finally walking this lonely road with others who understand. 
It means discovering that there are good folks who have been through what I have been through, and more, who have gotten out.
You can too! 
Hope again. 

Not everyone needs therapy, though it can be helpful.

 טמטום הלב can subside when we learn to let go a little of the pervasive תמהון לבב that has become attached to the very essence of our beings over long and lonely years. 

It may be 30 Years later, and there are streaks in our beards (at least in mine). But it ain’t too late, chaver. 

Take my hand. And stay in touch. 

מאן דבעי חיים
Please feel free to reach out anytime at chaim.oigen@gmail.com
Last Edit: 15 Dec 2023 00:57 by chaimoigen.
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