This thread for the group didn't take off like I thought it would.  Now that a new group has started, I didn't want to leave my posts up.

Sorry to anyone that still wanted to read them.

Thanks Yitzi for leading us in here!!!!



WHEREAS, I was gonna post my phone number here, but then I realized that after I move on from this stage in life & leave GYE... (Is that possible?!?! :o ) I will want to go back & edit/remove my posts.

HOWEVER, if another user QUOTES my posts into his post, I have no way of removing my info from there.

THEREFORE, it has been decided that anyone who has a preference, desire, or wish to acquire, obtain, or otherwise know my phone number shall send me a PM or an email.



Personally, I would like to develop a personal telephone relationship with others from the group too!

Hi!

What do y'all think about starting a separate thread for each step and keeping things (a bit) organized that way?

gibbor120 wrote on 16 Nov 2011 18:16:


How about a nightly time when whomever wants gets on the Call & we can share our daily struggles with Lust.

This can be a place where we can, at least for a short while, remove the mask behind which we are hiding ourselves from the outside 'normal' world and be Open & Honest about our Lust etc.?


Whomever is available calls in; nothing is missed if someone is busy then.


If the chevra don't like this idea of sharing in the SA style, even just general shmoozing can have GREAT benefits!

Dov, please chime in.

As I understand, it is always available (unless another GYE group uses the same number...)


Anyone care to suggest a convenient time?

How does 10:15 PM sound?

If we can't agree on ONE time slot, we can have TWO time slots too!!  ;D

gibbor120 wrote on 16 Nov 2011 19:06:


No problem!

My post has been modified to ask about 10:15.

Hi guys just checking in yosef can other people see this thread?what is your name on the line yosef?

dov that is a good idea.

dov wrote on 16 Nov 2011 17:57:

mechazek wrote on 17 Nov 2011 05:31:




mechazek wrote on 17 Nov 2011 00:07:

Only Members of Dov's Desparados can see this thread. (Including past & future members.)

As such, I don't want to post here my name or Number. Ask via PM or on the Calls. I don't mind saying it on the Call for all CURRENT members to know...  ;D

mechazek wrote on 17 Nov 2011 00:07:


Mechazek, what is your name on the line?  :-X

What we need is some Woodford!

OK, so I am leery of the idea of people doing 'writing' for assignments, here on the forum. I gained (and gain) tremendously by physically writing stuff on paper with my own chicken scratch. There is something about the writing that awakens mental thingies or neurological doodads, or something...in my own experience.

But hey, this is the computer generation, so maybe you younger folks don't even have and mental or neurological thingies left anyhow. (That was a joke.) But look: maybe the fact that a sefer Torah is completely posul if is is printed with linotype or a laserjet may mean that there is something more real about writing....OK, so maybe that's a stretch.

Whatever. I suggest that people write their main stuff on a secret little paper first, then post what they came up with. Just a suggestion. Hey, if you try it and it seems dumb and useless, then just go to the keyboard first, obviously. But I hope people try the writing thing at some point in their lives.

OK, so a phone group on our regular number is a great idea. Really fantastic. Whatever time u pick, there should be nobody at all on our line.

Bye!!

I learned what a blotter is during my teenage years looking over the book Curious George & the Firemen

Hi guys Yitz here from the call. Just making a trial post to see if others see it...

hi guys need how are you?

A lot of this is 4th step stuff. No harm done, though, just save it for a month from now! 

OK, so in the relationships you wrote about that affect you and motivate you to feel/react a certain way, the thing we are focusing on in this step is purely this:

In your heart, do you look to any of these powerful folks/things for the salvation of your own adequacy, self-esteem, or comfort? In what ways do you truly put them on a pedestal of power over you? Specifically, how do you see yourself as needy when they are around?

Here is a peek at where this is going:

The goal of this  stuff is to write up a list of qualities that you naturally seek in your dependence. It will show you what things you really need in your relationship with G-d.

That is huge.

Just write, think, and write.

We end up seeing what we have been dependent on in a Higher Power, and often exactly why our twisted concept of Hashem has not been working for us. We have all been desperate for acting out - even though it was much trouble and cost. We were working so hard for something all those years. Once we admit exactly what we were/are looking for in the desperate searches for more sex, lust, fantasy, and our other dependencies - how we hoped beyond hope that they would save us - we can now look to Hashem for what we obviously really need.

Make any sense?