rocky21 wrote on 14 Oct 2024 12:02:
Just a random question?
To answer you first question: No, it's not just a random question. It's a great question.
Do we deep down not want to watch P or deep down we do but we know it's wrong?
I'll offer two responses, and I won't be able to either one justice - so hopefully one of the Talmidei Chachamim here will have an opportunity to elaborate.
1) The short version of the easier (and perhaps in a practical sense, less helpful) answer. Yes, our essence is a pure cheilek Elokai Mima'al. Hashem Emes v'Toraso Emes, and everything else is the klippa of ourselves and this world. That's our deepest, core being. Here comes the 'but'. But, we have a guf and a tachlis.
In between, I'm going to use my least favorite mashal of the cheeseburger (for the sake of this example, assume they are delicious and you'd love to eat one). The neshama says 'no' to a cheeseburger because Hashem said they are not kosher. The body, physically, can enjoy a cheeseburger very much, health issues notwithstanding. Deep down in my conscious I could really want a cheeseburger and among the reasons I don't eat one is because I'm choosing my neshama over my guf. Hashem created a natural tayva for all food, kosher and not. I enjoy things that taste good, but do I need to taste all things or particular things. If I (forgive the pun . . . or don't)
feed this tayva, it will grow and desire more and eventually pull you from kosher indulgence to non-kosher because it is a consumer, always wanting more and never satisfied. You can enjoy food, like Hashem wants you too, but in a respectful and thankful way, not gluttony.
2) So, deep down, do I actually want to watch p? No. I don't want p. Spiritually it is poison. Practically it is poison. As someone has said here "it is a bad answer to a good question." We want to feel good. We have natural and healthy tayvos for sex. Hashem created it for us to enjoy - in the proper way. We live in a time that challenges us very much regarding sex. It bleeds into our life and makes a blurry mess out of all the boundaries that should be there. It muddles our feelings and understanding of what it's supposed to be (which is its own, longer drasha). We are exposed to it long before we even have the slightest capacity to appreciate that it is the purest and holiest possible bond of a husband and wife joining in a oneness with Hashem that has the potential to create life - the domain of the Borei Olam alone in all other instances.
Circumstances put a kid in a candy shop and now he craves all the sweets. Sugar is sweet, but too much gives you a stomach ache. A treat isn't special when you are just indulging. You still want it, and then you want another, getting the sugar fix but it's not meaningful. There is no point to it beyond that moment. p is a sugar fix. The treat is a loving relationship culminating physically and spiritually in a real connection of absolutely everything.
Watching p is only about me. Intimacy is about the ultimate we. But we're hooked on the sugar. We're chasing the temporary high to satisfy the urge to feel good in a cheap way, tainting the real pleasure that was confounded by fulfilling tayva only for tayva's sake. That's the way of this whole world though. Hashem created our physical bodies, our physical tayvos, and our yetzer hara. We are naturally and by design pulled towards these things. We do want them, but we don't really want them - we want something that they give us, mostly because we don't know how to experience those things in there intended form.
I think I rambled a bit - sorry about that. To sum up, it is normal to have a real tayva to watch p, but p isn't real. What you really want is something else which you can't taste right now. The sugar hijacked your tastebuds and now there is no balance of flavors, I just need to taste the sweet, and next time even sweeter. We're sick with sweet.