...או יש לומר באופן אחר קצת
"Thousands of bochurim in my boat" meaning just like me they struggle but still fight and succeed most times and work their way to recovery, so it's a positive thing too

btw that pic wasn't made about the. It was made by US for our very own R' SHNITZEL!

Shnitzel and kugel wrote on 15 Nov 2018 05:17:

I agree that it's a story with a happy ending. But I also think that if out there there are thousands of people like us then the way we raise kids at home and train kids in school needs to change. I don't know how it should change.

It's a well-known concept in manufacturing that if your factory puts out 20% product which is not to spec, day in and day out, then your manufacturing process needs to be tweaked.

Although you're point may be true about the we raise our kids. and maybe there should be some sort of "education" in schools at 12-14 years old to see if it's possible to refer kids to therapy early instead of them getting here 5,10,20,50 years later. However you're metaphor is not necessarily accurate because it is only true if it's competitors are doing 2% bad however if it's competitors are all doing 50% bad, then they have no reason to change.As a matter of fact it may just be a sign that it's a very tough industry and therefore no one will ever get it perfect. Especially if it's a industry with mass production and large volumes.  Therefore in our case it may just be that it's unprecedented massive nisayon and maybe 20% ( although i do think that number is very high) isn't such a bad rate in the circumstances. I am not saying that anything that can be done shouldn't be , however the fact that there are a certain amount of casualties isn't in itself a proof that something is being done wrong.

דרך ישר wrote on 15 Nov 2018 19:56:

Something is definitely wrong because we are still not zoche to have moshiach. I rest my case.

But I would agree that there may be no quick fix.

I view the holocaust as the quick fix to klal israel's fascination with the nations of the world, and if that's the quick fix maybe we're better off doing what we are doing.

That's why it's depressing.

Day 18!
!עם ישראל חי
Even though we may fall and slip sometimes, us Jews are alive and standing strong! 

Good Shabbos,

איני יודע בודאי למה לא בא משיח אבל עי' חפץ חיים בהקדמה שמאריך שאם בית המקקדש נחרב בשביל עון שנאת חנם לא יבנה רק כשנתקן ענין שנאת חנם. וזה בודאי אין לו שום קשר עם עוונות העברו של החבורה הקדושה דידן שהוא ברובא בין אדם למקום ולהיפך כל הGYE  הוא קידוש השם גדולה של אהבת חנם שאין כמוהו שכמעט כולם לא יודעים מי עוזר להם בכל דבר ואף מי הוא המשתדלין לעשות את כל האתר ולסדר הכל והכל בלי שם, וכל זה לכאו' הוא אהבת חנם ממש כן ירבו.
In regards to the holocaust....that sounds basically like the opinion of rabbi miller ZT''L and other gedolim hoever many others disagreed . However again that isn;t related at all to GYE MEMBERS ISSUES. So to sum it up no reason to get depressed

Just want to say, that I feel it extremely hard to talk openly to people and I still find it hard to talk to my rav.

I find it difficult to even book a session with my therapist as i know I'll have to be open and honest with him. After I my past session I was wondering to myself why on Earth was I so open, all because I'm not used to it.

 Since I've trained myself all these years to hold my problems in me, doing the opposite is extremely emotionally draining but at the same time, this is the only way to solve my issues.

I'm saying this to let out some steam and for those that think if only they had an easy time like shnitzel to open up, they would of done it, therefore I'm stressing it wasn't and isn't easy. 

Wishing myself to stay strong in being honest. 

Shnitzel and kugel wrote on 18 Nov 2018 20:38:

Maybe some in-person meetings where you share?

Time flies... Back to day 25 bh! Good Shabbos to all!

Gut voch to all,

Currently having huge urges to act out, what's stopping me? Acountability! 

The fact I have a forum which I update and my therapist that keeps tab on me..

18 year old bochur clean for 160 days. But the urges come every single day

That's amazing!! 

Can you please share with us some tips what helps you stay clean?

Shnitzel is still alive bh

I've never been so emotionally free in my life, thanks to my great therapist and his amazing method! 

I joined gye 6 months ago and only acted out on 2 days, pretty amazing!

Been where you are trying to get back up I'm 23 been trying to stop since I realized it was bad for my soul ever since I was 16