Been visiting the site for awhile. Am in my early twenties, a bochur. In late teens I began to be nichshol in z"l on a regular basis. I have been free from this aveira for over a year, B"H, though I've been tempted many times.

Question I need to ask and this is embarrassing, but if not here, then where? I noticed that sometimes when I am making a bowel movement a few drops of zera sometimes come out too. At least it seems like it's zera, it's definitely not urine. I STRESS there is no kishui eiver when this happens. Has anyone experienced this? Should I ask a doctor. I try to go to the mikveh after this happens.

thanks for reading and giving each other strength

see a physician!

This is a known phenomenon.

The Ben-Ish-Chai (Shu"t Torah Lishmah Siman 411) addresses this question (I am providing a loose translation):

Q: If a person experiences an emission as the result of the force exercised in the course of a b.m., with no erection whatsoever, is this considered "Keri" in the sense that one would be rendered impure? (implicit in the question is the assumption that it is definitely not an aveirah -the question is as concerns tevillas Ezra)

A: According to the Gemara Niddah (43a) and the Rambam (Sh'ar Avos Hatumah 5:4) any seminal emission that is not felt by the entire body does not render one 'impure'. Therefore if one experiences a seminal emission with no arousal and no erection, it is not considered "Shichvas Zera" that would render one 'impure'. Therefore in the case described above, one is not considered 'impure', since these droplets are emitted with no feeling, no erection, and no arousal.

The Ben-Ish-Chai concludes that if possible, it is commendable to go to the mikvah even in such a case.

Hatzlachah Rabbah,

E. ben Durdayah

Reb Ben Durdayah, you can't know how much you've comforted me! To see my seemingly very strange issue dealt with by the Ben Ish Chai is a great relief. And to know one is not rendered "impure" from the occurrence, though it's still good to go to mikveh. Thank you.

You're always welcome!

E

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Welcome Reb Repair Guy,
The Torah knowledge of some of the guys on this forum never ceases to impress me.  I have on occasion experienced what you describe and it is of no medical concern.  Wishing you continued syata dishmaya with overcoming your Y"H.
Alex

ben durdayah, what an amazingly thoughtful and loving post.  Take a breath, ask for a brocho.

Nu, ICanRepair, is this the place or what?!  Hatzlocha!

1daat wrote on 30 Jun 2011 21:53:


Thanks 1daat  :-[

What use is knowledge if you don't pass it on?

E

And don't forget to give yourself a "pat in the back" for being clean for a year!!!!!! you are holding up the world!!!!  Don't focus on the little drop that maybe came out and if its zerea or not, be happy that you are free and clean!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Helpfyi wrote on 01 Jul 2011 12:47:

well said

THUMBS UP!!

Helpfyi wrote on 01 Jul 2011 12:47:


psh, that's an eitza toiva if I've ever heard one. thanks for the perspective.

ICanRepair wrote on 01 Jul 2011 17:38:


Thats this worlds problem we focus on what bad we have done not on that every step we take we are faced with more test then the choftz chaim had his whole life!!  I once heard from R' shamshon Pincus Z"tL that if he gets up to shamyim after 120 and they ask how come he's not R' Akiva Eger he will answer "DID R AKIVA EGER EVER WALK THE STREETS OF MANHATTAN??!!??"

keep it up you are a great person every time you hold back you are like yosef hazadik! learn good bec torah is the kaprah for all! (see nefesh hachaim shar 4 says torah is a kapprah for all avreious even harsh ones, that will work better then the mikvah)

ICanRepair wrote on 30 Jun 2011 16:27:


Me too!

I also appreciate Harav Ben Durdaya's showing that the Ben Ish Chai wrote about this!



I experienced this on Yom Kippur Eve during Maariv. I was devastated! I felt like the proverbial servant who just got splashed in the face with the water he served his Master! Needless to say, my davening was not in the best of spirit.

I walked the Rav home from shul & asked him about it. (He know about my GYE life.) I told him that he MUST reassure me. I asked if I should go to a mikva secretly. (Some Rabbonim pasken that a Baal Keri should take one dip in a mikva even on Yom Kippur. [I heard that the Satmar Rav Zy"a kept his mikva open for this purpose.])

The Rav replied (quoting seforim which I do not recall) that Zera/Keri is impossible to be ejected without kishui ever. Therefore, this is most definitely not Keri.

Furthermore, it might be Zivus. A Zav is also Tumah, although in a different category - not in 'excommunication' from Hashem R"L, but, the Rav said, I am not a Zav either. B'shiva derachim bodkim ess haZav: B'maachel, b'mishta etc. If it comes from eating specific foods, overeating in general, strenuous activities etc. it is not Tumah at all. No need for any Taharah process other than hand washing like every time we use the bathroom.


Thereafter, I had this experience many more times. Boruch Hashem, the guilty feeling and the lowly/dirty sensations are not with me anymore.

I'm glad to hear that this information was useful and comforting.

Like I told 1daat above:
ben durdayah wrote on 30 Jun 2011 22:10:


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