I hear all about the kinus & I get very nervous. I don't know if I should go or not. & here is my problem.
I know as well as all of us what they are going to say. Internet is traif. & I know it even better than them. From experience. But I can't help it. I don't know how to stop.
Last year I didn't want to go but my wife pushed me into it. This year after I told her about the porn I watched she regretted pushing me into this as she said: “if this is your problem, going to another kinus & hearing again how bad it is, is not going to help. You need the program”. Now that the chadorim pushing their talmidim to go I feel helpless. The more they force me into it the more I want to run away. I don't want my children to go. Especially if it's "recommended by all rabonim menahalim & mechanchim" but I can't embarrass my children by being "different"!

Go!
It's a chizuk to yourself and others, who cares if you don't plan to ditch your internet. It is reinforcing that we need to fight and we can't roll over and give up.
I wish I could go, but Ize doesn't live there, I thought that the kinus last year was really heartwarming.
Yidden coming together to come close to hashem.

yes but if i tried stopping every possible way & only got frustrted that i can't. than hearing how bad i am & how many families got broken when thier Tzadekes found out about them did not add to my good feeling

"Davening to hashem to keep me sober 1 day @ a time..."

What better place to daven to Hashem than with so many Yidden coming together for the purpose of strengthening Kedushas Yisroel? Regardless of whether you follow the 12-step method or the old-fashioned Torah-Tavlin approach, we all realize that we need Hashem's help to succeed in this journey. Go to the Kinnus with the intention of getting closer to Hashem, to His Torah, and to His Gedolim. When you join their tefillos, add your own words, such as: Hashem, I don't know how this Kinnus will help me, but I came because, like everyone else, I also want to be holy. Please help me, direct me, purify my heart and help me guard my eyes from all impure influences...

As Chazal promise, "One who comes to purify himself, is assisted from heaven".

Hatzlacha (see ya there!)

MT

Machshovo Tova wrote:


thank you! thanx for reminding me my signutare... (when do I lookt there?)

& as far as the last line - I need to know where you're seating... feel free to give me your phone # so we can recognize each other

MT works for KGB

he will see you, but you will not see him...

You can find me at the entrance, yelling at the noshim tzidkoniyos to keep their distance.

MT

how about wearing a "GYE" cap?

"GYE AVEK!"

allright. I'll just wach it on you-tube!

i think i relize what my main problem with this kinusim. (kinuses?)

with full respect to all the gedolim (& all readers) I feel like some times this rabonim/rebbes/roshei yeshivos "taking control" on all of today's "world problems" & they are going to establish "new takonos" for the charedishe Oilem. I have a wife who will inforce me to go by them & i have kids in school where they can be sent home just because the father is "not Yerei Shomayim" & did not follow this takonos.

אין אפוטרופוס לעריות

I'm the only person risponsible for my own life. if I want to go to... no one will stop me. they can only force me to stop or to wait till they are on vacation... it has to come from within me. & for that I have the program. so don't tell me what to put on my computer.

And That Called עבדא בהפקירא ניחא ליה.

I think i realize what my main problem with this civilized world.

With full respect to all the law enforcement officials (& all citizens) I feel like some times this government/police/legal system is "taking control" on all of today's "world problems" & they are going to establish "new rules and regulations" for the entire population. I have a wife who will inforce me to go by them & i have kids in school where they can be sent home just because the father is "not law abiding" & did not follow the law.

אין אדם חוטא אלא אם כן נכנס בו רוח שטות

I'm the only person responsible for my own life. if I want to commit suicide... no one can stop me. They can only force me to stop or to wait till they are on vacation... it has to come from within me. & for that I have my own brains. so don't tell me how to live safely.

Does this resonate with any sound-minded guys out there?

MT

Hurray for Rabbonim!

thank you! you relly have מחשבה טובה!!

I believe in the gedolim wholeheartedly, and we should all take time to strengthen our emunas chachamim

But I have a question,
We all know that the problem of the Internet doesn't come from the Internet itself, it comes from deep internal issues which get exacerbated by the Internet. The Internet was the solution that we used to deal with the internal problems, and the solution turned out to be our worst nightmare, but it isn't itself the root of the problem.

I am sure this question was dealt with before on this forum,

It seems that the gedolim treat the Internet as the problem itself, and as long as we stay away from the Internet we will be okay, but we will not be okay, because we have never dealt with the real internal problems

I can't say everyone feels this way, but I feel uncomfortable with all the takanos, not because of the takanos themselves, but because I feel that it won't work unless we deal with the real issues, its only a temporary fix!

I need some insight on this issue, please!