I've been doing pretty good recently in regards to the struggle, but my college allows you to borrow laptops and they are not filtered at all. Can anybody give me any ideas on how to deal with this? I can't tell the person that lends them out not to lend them to me because she is a goya and it just wouldn't be tzanua. If it was a guy it would be better. I already fell with it today. 

Here's some things I've already thought of in terms of how I can abuse them: 
Watch p on the laptops 
Record them and send them to my computer and phone 
Use it to generate an uninstall code for webchaver and now be able to watch that on my computer

How about buying a laptop ?
maybe a second hand ?

Agreed. Ideally you don't borrow the laptop but if you need to and it's for short term use what about borrowing the knas idea from the Taphsic method? Rip up $100 if you do anything other than schoolwork on it. 

I was trying to save the taphsic method as a last resort but I guess that seems like the only option. And in regards to buying a new laptop, it won't exactly stop me from borrowing others by itself but it's a good idea to use with the knas.  

ליוסף הצדיק wrote on 06 Jul 2022 22:06:

Why can't you just not borrow the laptops? I don't really understand.

5Uu80*cdwB#^ wrote on 07 Jul 2022 01:05:

@5Uu80*cdwB# I can't speak for others, but if it was me, I would be very challenged by having the ability to at any time borrow an unfiltered device.
 @ליוסף הצדיק - are you in touch with anyone here that can help as an accountability partner? Making a commitment to a partner can be very helpful with things like this.

Bilaam Harasha to Yosef Hatzaddik wrote on 06 Apr 2022 15:45:


Hi brother,

I haven’t read all your posts, many are great.

The impression I get is that filters don’t work for you nor does taphsic.

A Filter is a fence. You put it up once and that’s it.
If you notice that the fence doesn’t work, stop building larger MAGA fences.
TAPHSIK. stop with the fences.

A taphsic vow is a fence, and solid for the small percent of people it works for. You put it up once and that’s it. If you notice that the vow doesn’t work,
TAPHSIK. stop with the taphsics, and stop suggesting them to others, because over here we should share whatever works for us.

Now that we ruled out Vows and Fences for you (see? I made your life simple), re-read the Handbook and try a new practical tool to get cranking and Trucking with us. What’s that gonna be?

We’re in this together man!

We could put up all the fences in the world and they'll help, but at the end of the day, if were determined to climb over the fence, we will.

There will always be a way-a way to borrow a device, to buy a device, some work around or someplace to go to see things we shouldn't.

We have to make that geder but that's just the first step. We then remind ourselves why we made that geder, why we're trying to do this. If you find your "why" and focus on it, It will help with re-framing your mindset and that could help prevent us from climbing the fence.

Avoiding the temptation is easier than avoiding the ramifications of said temptation.

Brother, hatzlocha! we're rooting for you!

I think you can figure out a fine way to ask her to no longer allow you to borrow any. Make up a good story, you are working on a challenge with a friend or something - you are speaking to her anyways, so that is seemingly not the issue. Don't get into a deep convo about p...

Thanks for the ideas. They all address the problem from different angles and that's good. B'ezrat hashem I'll be acting accordingly. 

@avrohom I don't have one yet. I'm going to get one but I feel that someone that I know in person would be the best option. And so I'm trying to get that figured out.