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the torah and the 12 steps 15 Feb 2016 22:38 #277937

לא מתייאש OFFLINE Fresh Boarder Posts: 5 Karma: 0	hi all, can some one send me in private message posts from the forum about the 12 steps and the torah? i am new in the program and in the forum. thanks

Re: the torah and the 12 steps 15 Feb 2016 22:46 #277939

Markz OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 8282 Karma: 427	Welcome!! Torah is great! 12 steps are great! Here you go
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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 15 Feb 2016 23:04 #277940

Watson OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1280 Karma: 85	guardyoureyes.com/articles/rabbi-twerski/item/yiddishkeit-and-12-steps-the-rabbi-s-opinion
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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 15 Feb 2016 23:18 #277941

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My experience is that I am so desperate I need the 12 Steps. If it told me to do jumping jacks for an hour and that would keep me sober then I would need to do it. I was never bothered by the torah/12 steps questions. Horving about "am I powerless? What do you mean! Bechira! I'm a human, not an animal!" never kept me sober. Although I was part of a fellowship at one point that talked about it a lot.

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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 16 Feb 2016 12:04 #278025

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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 16 Feb 2016 12:44 #278030

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Welcome sir,

Before I begin to even answer your question, what is it you're lookin' for? Are you scared of somethin'? Is there a certain way you wanna recover, but not another?
Please tell.

B'hatzlachah

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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 16 Feb 2016 22:29 #278135

לא מתייאש OFFLINE Fresh Boarder Posts: 5 Karma: 0	hi cordnoy. i guess that i am afraid to do something that is not alowed by the Torah, i am afraid of the things which are considered as christian ideas in the program. Be'hahlama

Re: the torah and the 12 steps 16 Feb 2016 22:31 #278136

Markz OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 8282 Karma: 427	What does that last word mean? Is it Yiddish? Haiti?
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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 16 Feb 2016 23:22 #278149

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לא מתייאש wrote on Unknown:

hi cordnoy.

i guess that i am afraid to do something that is not alowed by the Torah, i am afraid of the things which are considered as christian ideas in the program.

Be'hahlama

there is nothin' there that is not allowed.

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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 16 Feb 2016 23:34 #278150

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I was on Cordnoys call partially today

i liked your honesty!
i enjoyed the statement that when there's a sobriety will there's a way, and when not...

Anytime I listen to Cordnoy I hear Torah chizuk. The Cristian's didn't necessarily invent the 12 steps, they were possibly the ones that compiled it before the Jews

אולי זה בגלל שהם פשעו בעריות וזולל יין הרבה יותר מהיהודים, לכן היו מוכרחים להמציא תרופה זה לעצמם

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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 17 Feb 2016 00:32 #278157

GuideMe OFFLINE Junior Boarder GYE & SA member Posts: 38 Karma: 1	markz wrote on Unknown: What does that last word mean? Is it Yiddish? Haiti? It's like "B'hatzlachah" only with a twist. החלמה in hebrew means 'Recovery' or 'Heeling' so it's like saying B'hatzlachah only you wish 'B'recovery'
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Re: the torah and the 12 steps 17 Feb 2016 00:39 #278158

Markz OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 8282 Karma: 427	"Confessions" "Love thy neighbor (to death)" הם מהנוצרים, האם אסור להתוודות או לאהוב יהודי... כל זה עצת היצר. עלינו לציין במידת האמת אם קשה לך או הרצון פחות מדי מלהתחיל הי״ב שלבים, תגיד כן. אין בעיה. באהבה
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