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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 21:23 #266598

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Watson wrote:
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For me recovery starts with an acceptance that lust cannot be an option any more.


So you don't buy into the "One Day At A Time" doctrine?


The acceptance has to be renewed one day at a time.

There are actually 2 SA mehalchim (that I'm aware of) in what one day at a time means, each one being the preferred mehalach of a member with over 3 decades of sobriety. So I guess eilu vo'eilu.


There needs to be that commitment that lust is not needed or wanted and it is not an option. Our actions and mindset is to work one moment at a time.
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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 21:38 #266600

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markz wrote:
Btw If a rabbi gave allowance to someone I presume that bachur is very very sick, else the rabbi is , and you are not, so just KOT and ignore drunks on the road

BUT
CuriousGeorge im worried for you. Are you lost?

I see your signatures and it looks like someone on a xrated pornsite

Being curious makes me lust !!!
The more I feed it, the more I'll need it!!!

Then you ask out of CuriousGeorgity

Could one have an excuse for acting out?

What's next? I fear the worst
Could one have an excuse for opting out of gye?
?


Can you please explain yourself, is there realy something bad with my signeture? Do I realy look like someone on a xrated pornsite. Does it trigger you
 *  NO, It's not all or nothing, just every bit counts!
 *  I failed yesterday, and I might fail tomorrow. But just for today I'm going to give it a try.
 *  Being curios made me lust and get into trouble.

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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 21:48 #266601

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I'm going to talk tachlis!!!
How would you convince people who are going through hard times to stay sober?
Lets take the older Bucher, all his married friends are having sex with their wifes and HE feels punished.
Someone having Shulem Bais problams and didn't have sex for a year feels punished and runs to porn.......+.........+.
The list doesn't end, but lets hear salutions and reasons why its better for him to stop.

Maybe I should change the name of the topic to
Why don't you have an exuse to act out?
sounds better?
 *  NO, It's not all or nothing, just every bit counts!
 *  I failed yesterday, and I might fail tomorrow. But just for today I'm going to give it a try.
 *  Being curios made me lust and get into trouble.

אָמַר רבי יוחנן: אֵבֶר קָטָן יֵשׁ לוֹ לָאָדָם, מַרְעִיבוֹ = שָׂבֵעַ, מַשְׂבִּיעוֹ = רָעֵב

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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 22:08 #266602

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What would happen to a person who doesn't have sex? Can such a person even survive?

Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 22:21 #266605

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doingtshuva wrote:
I'm going to talk tachlis!!!
How would you convince people who are going through hard times to stay sober?
Lets take the older Bucher, all his married friends are having sex with their wifes and HE feels punished.
Someone having Shulem Bais problams and didn't have sex for a year feels punished and runs to porn.......+.........+.
The list doesn't end, but lets hear salutions and reasons why its better for him to stop.

Maybe I should change the name of the topic to
Why don't you have an exuse to act out?
sounds better?


"HE feels punished.
Someone having Shulem Bais problams and didn't have sex for a year feels punished"

It's great that you're sympathizing with these FEEL punished guys, but their job is to deal with those FEELINGS...
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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 22:22 #266607

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doingtshuva wrote:
markz wrote:
Btw If a rabbi gave allowance to someone I presume that bachur is very very sick, else the rabbi is , and you are not, so just KOT and ignore drunks on the road

BUT
CuriousGeorge im worried for you. Are you lost?

I see your signatures and it looks like someone on a xrated pornsite

Being curious makes me lust !!!
The more I feed it, the more I'll need it!!!

Then you ask out of CuriousGeorgity

Could one have an excuse for acting out?

What's next? I fear the worst
Could one have an excuse for opting out of gye?
?


Can you please explain yourself, is there realy something bad with my signeture? Do I realy look like someone on a xrated pornsite. Does it trigger you



I think your signature is the same as your post topic
Too vague . Not that your signature is unique to a porn site, but פוסח על שני הסעיפים

Would you walk into shul with your signature on the top of your Tallis bag?
Ahem yaamod... What's your name? Or worse the gabai may ask for your mothers name for misheberach, but you're not sick.

When someone sees a reply of yours, they can get confused by your signature to say the least.

I think, like your face is a רה״ר, so too a signature is mostly seen by everyone else, not the writer!!
And the main purpose of the signature is not to describe our emotions/challenges but rather to offer the reader either a positive tip or cup of tea or recovery tool. Checkout most if not all other signatures. Id be quite sure you didn't understand the signature serves that purpose
Why do i say you're too vague?

vague signature

Being curious makes me lust !!!
The more I feed it, the more I'll need it!!!

You dont say clearly
AND THEREFORE WHAT?

On a pornsite - therefore keep feeding the curiosity
On this site, IF someone is clever theyll translate that therefore youll quiet the curiosity

vague question
Could one have an excuse for acting out?

You dont say clearly
THEREFORE WHAT??

Therefore you want it? No. As you said later

You just want to theorise for no practical purpose? In a house of drunkards like us?

Why are you asking the question? For what benefit?

Now I must beg forgiveness from you my teshuva friend, cos your intent im sure is pure, and I may have sounded too harsh in the previous post, and shouldve explained myself . All the best my brother!!
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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 22:26 #266608

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doingtshuva wrote:
I'm going to talk tachlis!!!
How would you convince people who are going through hard times to stay sober?
All his married friends are having sex with their wifes and HE feels punished.


I lived that one, most of my friends were married a few years before me. I'm now very grateful to Hashem for my wife, my family and everything in my life. It was depressing at the time though, and I acted out through-out, not realising that acting out was making my problems worse and worse and worse. Today I am convinced that if I was not a sexaholic I wouldn't have been so depressed about still being single. But I was a sexaholic even though I didn't know that. Acting out fed the horrible lust-filled cycle. I have since learnt that I have never had a problem that acting out couldn't make worse.

How would I convince people to stay sober? I wouldn't. In my experience only pain convinced me to want to stay sober. Once I was in enough pain I asked for help.
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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 21 Oct 2015 23:10 #266611

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One's tafkid in life in not dependant on others. While it may feel really bad to be the older single who's friends are all "having sex with their wives" (that's an addict statement, as if that's all married ppl do) it is not an excuse to act out, very krum sfara. If god wanted "x" to be having sex he would, just b/c his friends are doesn't mean he now has to. what would be the geder? if 75% of friends are married then yes, but if less than then it's not allowed... sounds ridiculous to try to even come up with one. it's a similar thing to a guy who has SSA, all his (married) friends are having sex with the objects of their attraction, so he should also be able to?! (i actually once heard this from some1 who claims to be an orthodox rabbi). i am surely not a posek, this is just my understanding.

in actuality i don't think this whole thread should be here and one should discuss it with his LOR instead of here.
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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 22 Oct 2015 18:42 #266657

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markz wrote:
Now I must beg forgiveness from you my teshuva friend, cos your intent im sure is pure, and I may have sounded too harsh in the previous post, and shouldve explained myself . All the best my brother!!


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 *  I failed yesterday, and I might fail tomorrow. But just for today I'm going to give it a try.
 *  Being curios made me lust and get into trouble.

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Re: Could one have an excuse for acting out? 10 Dec 2015 20:13 #270986

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The first thing I did when I found out that it is an issur I went straight to shilchun aruch to see if there is some sort of heter, and as markz said thinking that there is a heter might make one loosen the grip on the fight, I found a heter that was so far fetched that it is ridiculous to even mention it.

And as far as doingtshuva, you had a concern and you asked about on the forum, good for you.

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Re: Whyyou don't have an exuse to act out. 10 May 2018 22:38 #330940

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doingtshuva wrote on 21 Oct 2015 21:48:
I'm going to talk tachlis!!!
How would you convince people who are going through hard times to stay sober?
Lets take the older Bucher, all his married friends are having sex with their wifes and HE feels punished.
Someone having Shulem Bais problams and didn't have sex for a year feels punished and runs to porn.......+.........+.
The list doesn't end, but lets hear salutions and reasons why its better for him to stop.

Maybe I should change the name of the topic to
Why don't you have an exuse to act out?
sounds better?

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Re: Whyyou don't have an exuse to act out. 22 May 2018 23:11 #331235

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stillgoing wrote on 10 May 2018 22:38:

doingtshuva wrote on 21 Oct 2015 21:48:
I'm going to talk tachlis!!!
How would you convince people who are going through hard times to stay sober?
Lets take the older Bucher, all his married friends are having sex with their wifes and HE feels punished.
Someone having Shulem Bais problams and didn't have sex for a year feels punished and runs to porn.......+.........+.
The list doesn't end, but lets hear salutions and reasons why its better for him to stop.

Maybe I should change the name of the topic to
Why don't you have an exuse to act out?
sounds better?


Like Shlomo wrote, our lives can not be run based on others. It will lead us to a life of misery and pain.  My friends have nice cars, can I steal one?  

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