Complicated question. Simple answer.
Women like looking good.
Today's looking good= fashionable.
Today's fashionable= short skirts...etc

Again. I think it's important to understand: Women Like keeping up to other women. They don't think about the men. At all.
(They wish all the men would dissapear and they should be able to wear whatever they wish. 'Cuz they feel good wearing it.
Women, especially girls, don't realize. They think that frum men don't look anyway, so wats the problem? Another rationalization is , that there are so many immodestly dressed women, that a frum girl, mostly covered , cant be a problem. )

Holy Yid wrote on 15 Oct 2009 04:03:


It is still more easy knowing that you are not a maniac because what the other does is wrong indeed.
It does not supply you with an excuse to fall, though.

TrYiNg wrote on 15 Oct 2009 05:29:


Trying,you know I think you are very deep and awesome.
But you are lying to yourself.
This conversation is getting tiring.
But women want people,men and women to think they are pretty,especially men.
This is their tayva.
And we have our tayva.
We are not just pigs.
We both have the same issue.
Pashut.

And many women do want men to lust after them.
I had many friends that were girls growing up.
You come from a more yeshivish/frum place,but I can testify that this is a fact among others.
Tayva is tayva.
Don't confuse the issue.

L,
Uri

Fashion, fashion.

Can you explain to me what this is? How does a fashion starts?

There are designers whose job it is to come up with new fashions, presented by cat walkers, sold by big name clothing shops, imitated by Jewish designers after minimal modifications and that’s what YOU wear.

Now, the driving power behind those fashions is attraction! Whether short or long, hiding or exposing it is all about arousing the men’s desire.

So it all boils down to this point, even if you don't know and want it!

That explains a bit what the Rebbe R' Hersh from Riminov said that every new mode (fashion) brings with it a new illness. My children ask me witch one brought Cancer...

ok ok ok

I WILL ASK FOR SOME TIME OUT HERE

I WILL JUMP IN AS A MODERN DAY REB LEVI YITZCHAK OF BARDICHEV

WE NEED TO SEE THE GOOD OF ALL YIDDEN 'AND' YIDDENES

US (MEN) NEED NOT TO BE OCCUPIED WITH THE WHOLE SUGYA OF FASHION

LETS STICK TO OUR PROBLEMS

BUT IMAGINE YOU WERE A FRUM WOMAN FOR A SECOND

YOU TRY TO WEAR A SHAITEL EVERYDAY

LOOK GOOD AND ATTRACTIVE(TO HARRY) AND TZANUA

NO MATTER HAW HARD YOU TRY THER IS ALWAYS MORE RULES AND REGS.

LISTEN WE NEED TO FOCUS THAT THE WORLD IS SICK PRUST SHTICKK SHMUTZ

AND IN THIS WOMAN CAN BE PULLED (YES WE ARE ALL WEAK ) TO DO WHAT SHE WISHES

I AM NOT EXCUSING BEHAVIOR WHICH IS KINEGGED ANY HALACHA OR MINHAG OR MESORAH OR MINHAG HAMAKOM

WHAT I AM SAYING IT IS VERY HARD SOUS MEN NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY

FOR THE MINIMUM LET YOUR WIFE BE AS TZNIUS FASHIONABLE AS SHE WANTS!!

END OF DISCUSSON I ALREADY WROTE TOO MUCH FOR A CHASIDSHE YUNGER MAN  :-[

LAST SHOT!!

THE WHOLE SUGYA IS A CHELEK OF THE ATZAS HAYETZER TO PIQUE OUR STINKEN TRUOUBLEMAKIN CURIOUSITY

SO LET HARRY WORRY ABOUT HARRIETT

BORUCH ABOUT BRUCHIE

YOELI ABOUT SHIRA oops I MEANT CHAVA-RAIZY

bards

Yeah, the guy with the sidelocks is right. End of subject.

AND WITH THAT SCARLETT O'HARRY STEPS INTO THE SUNSET...
                        THE END.

Ummmm! One more thing!

I would like to add that....

Just Kidding! Just Kidding!

“...Tara!...Home. I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back! After all, tomorrow is another day!”

THE END!!!

Frankly, My Dear,
I Don't Give A D**n

"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a d**n." is a line from the 1939 film Gone with the Wind starring Clark Gable and Vivien Leigh.

It was spoken by Gable, as Rhett Butler, in his last words to Scarlett O'Hara. It occurs at the end of the film when Scarlett asks Rhett, "Where shall I go? What shall I do?" if he leaves her. The line is memorable not only because it contains profanity (which was generally not allowed in films of that time period), but because it demonstrates that Rhett has finally given up on Scarlett and no longer cares what happens to her.

HELLO THIS SUMS IT ALL UP

BYE THE END END END

sorry.



Can I ask another question?  :D

any comments on how to talk to growing children about the subjects we are discussing on this site?


kutan


PS:
Moderator, can you change the title to Harry's son?

But then again I don't know if the Shita or the Rosh agrees with that point of view.

My Shita & My Rosh! lol

bardichev wrote on 15 Oct 2009 18:10:


AH, I knew it.
Just proves that you are really 73, not 37.

end of d

Reb K.

I really think that deserves a whole new page.

Potchim Daf Chadash!

KUTAN YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN

DISCUSSING MOMMY TO YINGELE, OR DICUSSING SHEMIRAS EINAYIM TO YINGELE?

IF IT IS DISCUSSING MOMMY TO YINGELE THAN KEEP IT RIGHT HERE

IF ITS DISCUSSING SHEMIRAS EINAYIM WITH YINGELE WE NEED ANOTHER THREAD

IT IS A MAJOR TOPIC

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