Dov wrote:


Dov, Your brutal honesty hurts!

Ouch!!

Guard...?

Dov wrote:
Dov, you have a knack for ruining great threads....

Pidaini wrote:
Spoken like a true Dov talmid

We will send you all 90,000 reasons guaranteed, shipped straight from Nigeria. We just need your bank account number and pin.

Thank You!
Mr. Sna Keoil

RYS, are you planning a trip to Nigeria soon? Are we even allowed to say that country's name any more, or do we have say something like 'African-American-from-Africa-ia"? Just curious...

Pidaini is right - all these reasons are just treetzim for the basis on which the true addicts among us matir continued fighting on our own even though it is a losing battle (ask someone yiddish for the teitch of that word)...(then ask someone yiddish for the meaning of teitch, too).

Hey, if the thread is 'ruined', there is at least the point that Inny made about the LOTR thread still being here...

Ooh, I am bad. See what some slichos after midnight does to a guy?

Dov:
African-American is out. In fact, Africa is out. We now refer either to "South of Europe" or "North of Antarctica" or "Kidnap Capital."

Farshtei?
Nein?
Az freg ah Yiddishea alte bobbe.

Actually "bobbe" is also out, now we say "Slightly less young individual."

(Genug mit dee narishkeit)

Dov wrote:

Hey I speak Yiddish just not sure of the meaning of that word, anyone can clarify?

The only possible meaning I have for it is: An Israeli pluralization of "Treat"; like the Israeli plural of "Chip" is "Cheepsim", Treetzim.

Supposed to say Terutzim: Answers/excuses.

[Treetzim: Arboreal Aborigines]

Genug mit dee narishkeit tzum tzvietin mul.

Gevalt, have you no poilish or unGAReesh roots at all? The vord iz pronouinces lak deez:

"treetzim"

No vunder yoo looking at de shiksess. Zom rishdiger yiddisheh chinuch yoo iz needing here.

I don't know if this is the place at all, but since shiktzes were mentioned; is it worse or better to look at them more than Jewish women? I know the answer is that one should not look at either, and they are both scorned upon, and they will both lead nowhere good, but is one more chamur than the other?
I also know that the answer to this question has no bearing whatsoever on recovery, for those of us, myself included, need to be on guard from both; it makes no difference; I simply am asking mitoch curiosity.

Thanks

???

If I were you, I wouldn't try to get that answered.Cause then when you watch porn you can always say "at least it's not a yid/goy".

Please 'halt kop git' for this, Avreml:

It's preferable to daven for a Jewish woman than for a Goyishe woman. Even though according to Chaza"l and sifrei kodesh Hashem loves all the bru'im in the entire world (including shiksas dressed with pritzus) and R' Shlomo of Karlin used to say 'Halevai I should have as much love for the tzaddik hador as Hashem has for the worst rosho" - still, it is best to daven for a fellow Jewess, if we can.

Right?

So, I guess you are better off drooling at the Jewish women than at the goyisheh women. For I trust that you will do whatever it takes to stop ruining your mind and heart with the emunah sheleimah we droolers have that b'emess these women are primarily sexual objects for the sweet enjoyment of men like you and me.

Correct or not? You are willing to do whatever it takes to outgrow the tendency we have to want to stare at these women, I am sure.

And that means to daven me'umkah delibah (as I and many others do) for Hashem to please, please give them whatever they need, to protect them from being used by the eyes and imaginations of men like you and me when we lust for them, and for long lives of health, protection from pain, nachas from their future children, a real and sweet relationship with Hashem, and all the good things you wish for your own daughter or mother.

So...would you rather daven for goyishe women to have those things, or for Jewish women to have them?

Yes, I know that all tzaddikim wished well on every bird, tree, goy and shiksah out there, of course. (And we yidden praise Hashem for being good to them every time we say bentching: "Hu nosein lechem l'chol bosor" and "umasbiyah l'chol chai ratzon") What kind of mushchas wishes ill on anybody except people who are hurting others intentionally? Not us, surely. As R' Tzvi-Meyer often says, Leiv Tov is so important - the most important per the Tanna, right? It's actually normal.

And I know that often it is davka we weaker men (who find these pretty women's images so very sweet) who want to blame them and call them 'disgusting' - "michsholim!" ...but aren't we the ones looking at them, desiring them, and sometimes even worshipping them just a little? OK, maybe not so little. But when we think about it a bit we realize that 99% of them would freak out if they saw us staring at them with our beards wagging and mouths open, drooling or smiling. Right? They would be disgusted and feel abused being started at.

The emess is that the pritzusdigeh women out there do not want to be followed by you even desired by you - they just want to enjoy feeling pretty as a woman can. Female power isd fun for them, that's all. And is it EVIL that they do not care about you and your holy madreigos. It's just not shayach to them. They do not even think of such things. And if you or I would have been born a girl in her family you or I would probably be the same way (or maybe even worse...if you are a porn-lover like me, after all!)



But I prefer not to suffer, so I do not stare at women today at all, be"H. And it is not because I am holy, but because I am sick. Like many of us, here. We are brothers in this, chaver!

Thank you for your post. My apologies for what is called here, "hijacking the thread."
you did say I should concentrate well, which I did several times.
I got a lot out of your post, but Im not sure it answered the question.
That's no big deal, for the question was really unimportant.

but just to see if I chapped basically what you said, I will rewrite in short.
1. We want to stop this looking behavior and therefore will do whatever we can to reach that result.
2. That means to daven that the women should not be machshil us, or used as objects of desire. You then said that we are mispallel for them with gevaldike brachos.

I am talking out loud here. These women, let us say Jewish ones...are they dressing appropriately or not? If yes, and we are still staring, are they doing anything wrong? Are they being machshil us? If they are not dressed appropriately, so we are davening that they should be protected from being used!? Doesn't that have to do with Gemora and Maharsha in brachos regarding davening that someone else shouldn't sin?
Additionally, why are we davening that they should live long? I have nothing against others living long, but why davka them? Is that part of our tefillah?

you might be right in this whole thing; it's simply new to me the entire concept.

The end of the post I basically got.

3. Even based on what you are saying that we should daven for the Jewish woman that she shouldn't be used by us; ultimately, it doesn't answer the question as to which is worse for us.

Please, if Im nudging, don't bother answering; I am fine. I know that looking is wrong and I am making headway in this area. I am not klerring chakiros if they are Jewish or not; it simply makes no difference to my desires or my kevishah. Am I davening for them? No. But whatever, go on and answer more important questions than these.

And I like your ending as to why not to look at women bichlal.

thanks so much.

You're doing great Dov. We're finally moving closer to 90,000.

Thats what you wanted!

Right?

The real question is why yes act on it?
That is where the gold lies,
That is why no reasoning in the world will save anyone,
There is a reason for my signature.